Well, I started playing in the 80s, so yeah, whatever you want to call it. I sold my last set in 02 or 03. Have only been playing again for the last 3 weeks? I've missed out on SO SO MUCH. Certain things, I won't even try. Surrounding myself with 20 "crashes" and using 18" hats, I just don't relate. Which is basically where I'm coming from. And by old school, when I played and studied the ride was just that, a ride. NOT a crash. If we accidentally crashed, the old white haired jerk of a music teacher we had would stop the song, stare at us, and start over. I was programmed.