Played my Rogers Holiday 20" kick last night at a fun venue and question about a lift for the 20

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  1. DanRH

    DanRH Old guy, getting younger

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    You may know I'm not a fan of 20" kicks. That said, I recently picked up a cool red sparkle Rogers Holiday 20/13/16 kit and gave it a whirl last night with my Petty band at a cool local venue called Retro Junkie. I did one other gig (NYE) with the kit and I was underwhelmed with the kick. I had a SK I with a port on the reso side. This time I put on a coated PS3 (still with the port) and was much happier. Of course on this gig we had huge subs so I heard and felt plenty of kick from the outside.

    The sound man, who happens to be John Fogerty's son, came up to be and insisted I bring this kit next time we've play there in a couple of months. He told me it was by far his favorite kick of any band he has mixed there. Pretty encouraging I'd say. Very fun gig. Place was sold out.

    On a side side, do you 20" people recommend a lift? It was suggested on a FB post I made on the Rogers Forum there. If so, what kind?

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  2. JDA

    JDA DFO Master

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    Quit panicking and get used to it maybe?

    Nice pictures.
    btw; in the 2nd pic - a fella - middle aged- 7th row from the back - left side - catty corner from the 6th row in- next to the gal in the blue top- over by the guy in horn rim glasses- is holding up a sign that says: "I Like the 20"
     
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    bellbrass DFO Master

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    Great share and add me to the list of non-20" bass drummers. That's a jazz size for me, and I'm a rock and roll guy....but you have my ear. It's a beautiful kit. I'm keeping my eye out for the new Rogers kits.
     
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    jptrickster DFO Master

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    Just wait till the sound guy hears the 22
     
  5. JDA

    JDA DFO Master

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    I think you're on a timeline to be using an 18" sometime in late 2021.
    mark my words
     
  6. MrDrums2112

    MrDrums2112 "Normal" Drummer

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    I like the Dixson lift. I use it on my Slingerland 20.
     
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  7. lossforgain

    lossforgain Team DFO Staff Member Moderator

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    Never used a lift for a 20, never thought I needed one.
     
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  8. DanRH

    DanRH Old guy, getting younger

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    Funny thing...He has. I've played there four times. here's the kits I used;
    Oriollo
    Gretsch Broadkaster
    Rogers Holiday 22/13/16
    Rogers Holiday 20/13/16
     
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  9. DanRH

    DanRH Old guy, getting younger

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    I actually have one. A Remo MasterTouch 18/10/14 (the 12 in the pic is gone). I use usually on acoustic gigs and shows where space a premium.

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  10. JDA

    JDA DFO Master

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    That's a Kick az set.
    ps: buy the 12 back for petes sake.
    3 You look good as a ..."Jazz Drummer" ; )
     
  11. Treviso1

    Treviso1 DFO Master

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    Buy the D'Amico bass drum lift for your 20" bass drum. You will never look back. You set it up with the longer legs in the front and the shorter ones in the back so that the bass drum angles up in the front a bit. That 20" will sound like a cannon! D'Amico is right in your backyard!
     
  12. Rockin' Billy

    Rockin' Billy DFO Veteran

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    My take anyway, no. I use a couple of different 20” kicks mostly and never even thought of a reason to use a lift. BUT, maybe it is something YOU will feel better with. Enjoy that kit.
     
  13. High on Stress

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    I’m not a 20 guy either. I have a great DW 12/16/20 in blue sparkle that I use a lot for multiple band bills/tight spaces/dodgy load-ins with DW UL hardware. Toms are great but the kick just doesn’t do it for me from behind the kit. Of course everybody out front loves it. I think it’s just never gonna sound (to me) like a proper rock bass drum.

    Having said that, I did play a Rogers 20 once that sounded huge to me for some reason. I’m interested in hearing more about risers with a 20. I know Gadd uses one, but it seems most players do not feel a need for one.
     
  14. mattmalloy66

    mattmalloy66 Very well Known Member

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    I hope this doesn't sound like I am intentionally insulting anyone, but I do think that a bass drum smaller than 22" is hard for some people to accept simply because of it's size, not it's sound.
    Like a lot of drummers, I always thought that anything less than 22" was not up to the task for anything other than jazz or acoustic gigs.
    Started with bass drums that were 14x22, eventually went through 16x22 up to 18x22.
    Happened to be in a position to buy a `60s Rogers kit because a friends father passed.
    This Dayton Rogers with a 14x20" bass and the appropriate heads (no port) made me a big fan of 20" bass drums.
    I used a Dixon lift for a bit, but now use it without any lift.
     
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  15. cworrick

    cworrick The BIG Bunny on the block

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    ^^^^
    This.


    I've always used a 20.
    Never once useda lift.


    Also. I'vehad many compliments about my 20 over the years. All of them came when I had a PS3 on batter tuned JAW with a PS3 on front. I've tried several different heads and keep coming back to it. I've taken it places and set it next to 22s and my little 20 has sounded bigger and lower in pitch.

    Tune it right and you will Love it. Easier to carry too.
     
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    JDA DFO Master

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    Two ways this plays

    1)
    "Elvin's been my favorite drummer for 30+ years that isn't changing anytime soon (along with Tony Max Art the whole cabal) Yet I can still have the toms ---10/12/13/14/16 etc etc etc----- out the wazoo----- on top ---- for the "Sunshine Of Your Love, anything Allman Bros (I'll play Jaimoes part K?) , In-A-Gadda- da- Vida (funny huh) , George Harrison, Originals, Fakes ,Covers, fake Covers, and classic top 40, etc"...

    anything that comes up.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    The second play is:
    "The older you get the smaller the bd "
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~

    I'm still in Camp 1 altho
    Camp 2 has benefit too.
    ~

    My days of "sounding like the record" even thinking I do are Over.
    (ended around age 19..or 30 can't recall)
    I'm me.
    (I'll capture the notes of the record ...the timbre will be mine
    anyone (it's unavoidable anyway)... will notice it's me ..

    So now it's either my way or zee bye-bye Highway.
    And no one complains
    Usually they're happy to see me ; )

    alternate#
    "It's just a Kick where you put it is as important as what it is;
    maybe there's a volume issue but I can't care about that
    I'm moving too quickly
    again it's my way
     
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  17. Obiwandrumobe

    Obiwandrumobe Very well Known Member

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    Anyone doubting the power and tone derivable from 20" BD's needs to re/listen to Cream - the 20" on the earlier tracks was cut down from 14" to as shallow as 11". No laundry, ports, sound control heads, foam rings, etc. Love him or hate him (guess who) - the sound is profound.
     
  18. Cauldronics

    Cauldronics DFO Master

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    Yeah that lift goes on all my bass drums, even 22s unless they have steel hoops. Steel hoops do a better job of keeping the shell rigid I think.
     
  19. tommykat1

    tommykat1 DFO Master

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    Hahaha! And +1. I'm using an 18" now in my regular gigging kit: 10-12-14-18 Gretsch Renown "Bop 'n Roll" kit with Rogers 6.5 x 14 Mahogany Luxor snare. Kicks a$$ with 18" subwoofer in the PA. I don't need anything bigger.
     
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  20. JazzDrumGuy

    JazzDrumGuy DFO Master

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    Never heard a riser on my 20. I really like the Dixson......super easy, no way to damage the drum and works on any drum for only $40. My 2nd choice is the Gibraltar for $25 but it clamps onto the hoop and the bottom bass claws are in the way sometimes.
     

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