I picked this up a few weeks back, and it is a cool cymbal. Unfortunately it just isnt different enough from what I have. It has a dark, dry, washy sound. The cymbal is in great shape and is drilled for 3 rivets but there isn't any installed. I bought a pack of bosphorus rivets that I will include in the sale. I'm not super interested in trades at the moment. I would trade for the following: Possibly a 19-20" crash ride. Would like a k con or paiste. Meinl thin jazz hi hats. Vintage kits or yamaha cc's. We could work out some type of cash + cymbal trade. With that being said I am looking for $275 shipped!