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Shouldn’t it be 4/3 ?

3 notes per beat is 1/3rd notes
There is no 8 in 12/8

4 beats 3 notes per beat !!

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It's the other way around. There is no 3 or 4 in 12/8 - only the feel of it. Since 8th note gets the count, your 4 feel is really dotted quarters.
 
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But none of the note values are named relative to the beat, it's relative to a whole note, which = a single measure of common time-- 4/4. A "third note" would be half note triplets. The system kind of breaks down trying to work that in.

Other note values exist, they just have to be worked in as tuplets of a standard note value-- whole/half/quarter/8th, etc.
 
toddbishop said:
But none of the note values are named relative to the beat, it's relative to a whole note, which = a single measure of common time-- 4/4. A "third note" would be half note triplets. The system kind of breaks down trying to work that in.

Other note values exist, they just have to be worked in as tuplets of a standard note value-- whole/half/quarter/8th, etc.
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Nevertheless, I feel obligated to support the existence of 3rd notes. Not “third notes” as you wrote, but rather, 3rd notes. See?
 
Additionally, how you emphasize the counting in 12/8 is relative to the music. It can be 12, 6, 4, 3, 2, 1, 9+3, 8+4, and on and on.
Houndog said:
How are they 1/8 th notes when there are 12 of them. ??
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How are they quarter notes in 3/4 when there are 3 of them? It's because the time signature says so.
 
It should be 1 e & a, etc., but you are just resting on the "e."
 
Steech said:
Nevertheless, I feel obligated to support the existence of 3rd notes. Not “third notes” as you wrote, but rather, 3rd notes. See?
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Either way-- mathematically it's a thing, the system just doesn't accomodate them under that name-- correctly they're tuplets of a standard rhythm. 3rd notes get second class status in this system of notation.

I know there are some people writing pieces with "4/3" in them, meaning the measure is the length of two half note triplet partials at the rate of the previous measure-- or whatever the reference point is for the piece. It kind of works for that purpose, it's really not consistent with the system though.
 
Houndog said:
How are they 1/8 th notes when there are 12 of them. ??
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The nomenclature derives from the standard 4/4 meter of notes.

whole note = 4 beats long to a measure of 4/4
half note = 2 beats long to a measure of 4/4
QUARTER NOTES = 1 per beat to a measure of 4/4 or a quarter of the measure - ONE NOTE and just the "stem"
EIGHTH NOTES = 2 per beat to a measure of 4/4 or an eighth of the measure. - ONE NOTE with just one "flag" on it - which is what is commonly used for triplets in any time signature. in 4/4 time they are grouped into 3s with a "3" written in over them. In 3/8, 6/8, 9/8, 12/8 they don't need to have the "3" written above them.
TECHNICALLY in the /8 meters, when played slowly, the 8th note is what gets played as 1 per beat. It is not until you speed the tempo up that the triplet feel occurs.
Sixteenth notes = 4 per beat to a measure of 4/4 or a sixteenth of the measure - ONE NOTE with two "flags" on it.
Thirty Second notes = aww, you get the idea.
64th
128th
256th
etc....in theory.

They are all based off of a measure of 4/4 time which is why it is also called "common time"

No other notes were ever invented over time.
 
toddbishop said:
Either way-- mathematically it's a thing, the system just doesn't accomodate them under that name-- correctly they're tuplets of a standard rhythm. 3rd notes get second class status in this system of notation.

I know there are some people writing pieces with "4/3" in them, meaning the measure is the length of two half note triplet partials at the rate of the previous measure-- or whatever the reference point is for the piece. It kind of works for that purpose, it's really not consistent with the system though.
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I agree, I’m just semi-trolling this thread tbh.

Having said that, I still like the idea of 3rd, 5th, and 7th notes etc, because that would really work for me.
 
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