One ride, one crash?

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David Hunter said:
I played yet another outdoor gig this past Saturday evening, and in spite of the oppressive heat, there was a stiff wind blowing throughout, so much so that I was concerned about cymbals toppling. This concern led me to try to mitigate possible damage by lessening my normal 1 ride/2 crashes to 1 ride/1 crash. I actually found it fun and refreshing, so much so that I'm considering doing it more often. I always appreciated the minimalism of other drummers who used this set up, but I always assumed I'd miss that crash over the ride. Turned out that I enjoyed the challenge, and I love the clean look. Does anyone else here use this setup?

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I would LOVE to use this setup all the time, however when I do I inevitably swing for the 2nd crash to the right of the ride even though it’s not there. So, I just always put up a 2nd crash on my right no matter what.
 
Tried it for a while this weekend. Not too bad with my 2002s. Used my 22” ride and 18” crash.

I‘d really like to try a couple of Giant Beats for a simple 2 cymbal set up. One of these days…
 
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Houndog said:
The bassist kept hitting my 2nd crash with his headstock at rehearsal last night , what the heck ;I joined the one crash crowd …


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before the next rehearsal, razor-sharpen the edges of your crashes and if he tries that "mess" again, go all Odd Jobs on his @$$
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For a long time I just used one cymbal, 20” crash/ride, it’s the absolute minimalism, but yea 1 ride 1 crash is probably my favorite setup.
 
DrummBumm89 said:
That 24 is a monster. There seems to be such a difference in Open Handed drummers on ride position. I throw your left crash way down in height and put that as my ride position. Playing the ride at 9 PM position would jack my arm.

On topic, I've played 100's of gigs with two cymbals. It's decently rare I play any non-splashes under 20", so I suppose they are closer to rides that can crash. Two cymbals means I need dual purposes typically.
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I tried that, there was some things that I liked about it. Unfortunately, I could only get the ride so low and not have it interfere with the hi-hats, and my arm was overextended and almost level with my shoulder, which would ache after a couple of minutes. The position I have now just works ergonomically. The ride is low and just shy of horizontal and within easy reach. The bell is easy to get at, too—-another big issue with positioning it where I have my crash. I did use an 18” crash ride in that position at church for a while, and that wasn’t bad. Unfortunately, I like big rides, I cannot lie!
 
I've been playing this setup for years. New to me ride is a Sabian Xs20 Medium Ride that I absolutely adore. Hats are early Tosco Mediums. Crash is an 18 Zildjian S Family Medium-Thin. 80s Tama Superstars with a Slingerland CoB snare. Rock, pop, blues, funk, indie, jazz... This is all I need.
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Deafmoon said:
I do that setup all day long. Sure there are gigs where you need more crashes, splashes and chinas....but one ride, one crash can handle almost anything in R&B, Pop, Top 40, Combo Jazz, Country. Latin, Big Band, Prog and Fusion I feel require a wider sound palette. But sure why not one crash one ride. In fact I'm even thinking 2 rides and no crash, but you cannot have a second ride over 2300 to 2400 gms. That just gets a bit heavy sounding to crash. It can be done but its loud and long.
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I agree, but I’d put the upper weight limit for the LSR at 2000
 
…actually two crash rides. I’m using 18” and 20” medium vintage 602’s. If it’s not enough, I have 22” heavy waiting in my case. Now I’m building similar medium two cymbal setup with Signature series.
 
KeithMooned said:
I remember Elvin Jones in Zachariah, a fairly forgettable meandering low budget film from the 70's w the Jame Gang and I forget who else. Jones was good.
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Don Johnson and John Rubenstein played the main characters. It was Johnson's second movie.
Dick Van Patten and Doug Kershaw were also in it.
The story goes that the soundtrack goofed up during Jones's solo in the saloon, so when they went into editing, studio drummer Earl Palmer was asked to come in and fill out the track (Jones wasn't available due to scheduling conflicts).
He sat down with the rough cut of the scene and wrote out what the solo sounded like to him. Palmer then played it back, note-for-note, and that's what you're really hearing when you watch the movie.
Elvin's on the screen, but you're listening to Earl Palmer.
 
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itsjjp said:
I've been playing this setup for years. New to me ride is a Sabian Xs20 Medium Ride that I absolutely adore. Hats are early Tosco Mediums. Crash is an 18 Zildjian S Family Medium-Thin. 80s Tama Superstars with a Slingerland CoB snare. Rock, pop, blues, funk, indie, jazz... This is all I need.
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I think you're the only other person I've ever seen who's stuck the top of their cymbal stand into the tom post receiver like that.
Nice kit, btw. Love the natural finish.

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Fun thread! I can forgo a cymbal quicker than I can let a tom go and still be comfortable... though I really, really like having more cymbals to play with! But that said, I will play with a couple of crash rides when it's the right choice for the gig.



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I use that setup when I'm on a multiple band gig and we have to move our gear off the stage within 5-10 minutes for the other band to load on, etc. It works fine for me as I tend to crash my ride cymbal as well as using it as a ride.
 
Who here has the tag line, " I ride my crashes and crash my rides"? I can get behind that statement! All my rides are crashable to fit my style and taste.
 
Fat Drummer said:
Who here has the tag line, " I ride my crashes and crash my rides"? I can get behind that statement! All my rides are crashable to fit my style and taste.
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That was Mel Lewis in Modern Drummer I believe that said something along those lines .
 
Luddite said:
I play open hand on a right hand kit, I use pretty big Ride cymbals, to the left just below my hats.That’s what works best for me ergonomically. I have done the ride/crash thing sometimes, but for it to work for me, the ride needs to move in front of the hi-hats. My usual setup won’t cut it with one crash. This kills my messed up shoulder as it requires a pretty long reach to get to the bell on a 22 or a 24. So, I stick with two crashes.View attachment 632801
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Cool rig. My son plays open handed, and mounts his ride on his left--a little higher than you (above the hats).
 
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