Your latest cymbal purchase.....

[Tama CW]

Hi Blair,

I'm about to enter your new arrival. As of now I've got these 35 cymbals

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in the 10" and smaller diameter. This is out of 5,020 cymbals so 6" make up less than 0.5% of my sample of A Zildjians. There are more 30" (n=13) cymbals than little guys. The 6" I have a weight for was 138g, and the lightest of the small guys is a svelte 91g for that one 7" cymbal. That was the "First" stamp. Until you get into the 10" diameter they are generally well under 180g, although the usual variation across the production eras happens with 1940s ones lighter, and they got more portly after some time in the 1970s, and then slimmed down again in the modern era.

Steve, no 9" size in the group? The "splash" from my 40's RK kit, type 2 trans stamp set has a 9-1/16" at 171 gm. No ink though.

 

[zenstat]

I obviously haven't caught up on my backlog of data entry yet. Your 9" may be in my pending entries as I remember seeing the that gorgeous photo of the RK set.

 

[nchia]

22 Matt Nolan ride en route to me. I asked Matt for a med thin 22 with general Old K qualities. I think he nailed it. No doubt Matt is one of the greats.

 

[curly]

22 Matt Nolan ride en route to me. I asked Matt for a med thin 22 with general Old K qualities. I think he nailed it. No doubt Matt is one of the greats.

There is only one Matt Molan. GOAT.

 

[GiveMeYourSmallestSticks!]

Yet another addition to my 1950's Avedis collection arrived today; a 21" large hollow block stamp weighing 2240g. Like my 22" hollow block ride, the edges are very thin, and you can actually read the stamp through the bottom of the cymbal! I'm now the proud owner of a set of 14" hi hats, as well as an 18", 19", 20", 21" and 22", there's nothing I can't do with this assortment of cymbals.

Just wanted to add that I brought this out to a gig last night, and it's a winner all the way. It's a lot darker and trashier than my other Avedis rides, and has a low pitch while still cutting clearly through the mix.

 

[MAJN]

I didn't expect to grab a crash instead of a light crashable ride or crash/ride, but this Bosphorus Traditional 17" Crash grabbed me.

 

[GiveMeYourSmallestSticks!]

Telling myself this will be it, at least for a while or until I decide to sell something else in pursuit of growing my 50's Avedis collection.

I just received this SS 14" bottom hi hat (1240g) from fellow member Austin Taylor. I love the matched weights of my SS hi hats (roughly mid to high 700g range), but picked this up to mix and match and make my own set of new beats when desired. Definitely makes for more foot chick and a more cutting sound.

 

[cdwillis]

Picked up a set of Sabian Complex cymbals, the 15 Complex medium hats, 19 Complex thin crash, and 22 Complex medium ride. Guitar Center had an open box on their website for almost $300 bucks off. I'd been looking at this set for a while, waiting on a deal, thinking about tariffs, then these popped up and I didn't think I could pass them up. Pardon the messy drum room pics:

Hats are 1016g / 1436g

19 thin crash is 1356g

22 Medium ride is 2898g

The hats are darker than I'm used to, but I really dig the sound. I usually play a 21" ride, so the 22" is kind of new territory. It crashes nice, has nice stick sound, bell is just ok. Overall great warm sound. The 19 thin crash though, woah! This thing sounds amazing. It's dark but still has a high end coming through. Sort of trashy from the overhammering. It's definitely the best crash sound I've had. I think I understand what people are saying by calling cymbals buttery now.

 

[Tama CW]

Zildjian 24" trans stamp type 1 at a thin 2888 gm. Over-sized at 24-1/8" average width. The bell seems odd for the early trans era. It measures approx 5-5/8" using the shadowing method with a flat edge. But bell depth is 3/32" to 1/8" deeper than a typical special cup with the flat top. I'd almost call it a special cup without the plateaued top. I haven't run into enough 22" and larger trans stamps to say if there were 2 different style 5-5/8" bells in use during the trans type 1/2 period. Comparing this bell side by side with a special cup 22"....the shapes look the same other than the flat vs round top.

Cymbal seems to play considerably lighter than the weight. Extremely flexible like a paper thin. The edge thickness measures as little as 1.1 mm. Very dark and dry with tones much deeper than I would have expected....getting into old K land. Doesn't have the glassy-metallic tones of a typical type 1. Also not that primitive looking for a large sized type 1. But, it has some of that irregular, heavy edge hammering that is usually seen.

This could have been a factory rivet cymbal as the hole sizing (3/16"), rivet hole distance from the edge (1.5"), and symmetry are in line with Zildjian norms.
Around the current rivet flaring you see a much wider wear "shadow" consistent with the larger foot print of Zildjian 6 segmented flaring.

 

[MikeKnight]

My first venture into 15” hats: Dream Bliss hats.

Now that I’m in a jazz band I figured my 13” z custom hats and my 13” k/z hats were just a little too crispy and bright sounding. (I used to play in heavy metal band back in the day)

Dang these dream hats are great! Very thin hats, nice medium dark sound that’s soft when open and still plenty crisp when closed. Exactly what I was looking for. And only 379CAD retail price. What’s not to love?!

 

[kallen49]

Picked up a set of Sabian Complex cymbals, the 15 Complex medium hats, 19 Complex thin crash, and 22 Complex medium ride. Guitar Center had an open box on their website for almost $300 bucks off.

The 19 thin crash though, woah! This thing sounds amazing. It's dark but still has a high end coming through. Sort of trashy from the overhammering. It's definitely the best crash sound I've had. I think I understand what people are saying by calling cymbals buttery now.

I too just bought a Sabian Complex set, 14", 16", 19", 20", used, had stick marks but Barkeeper's Friend made them look new. I usually use a set of Paiste 2002's so this sounds is far different.

and yes, the 19" crash is especially great, interesting it's bell is bigger than the bell on the 20" ride,

 

[DrumSmith]

Zildjian 24" trans stamp type 1 at a thin 2888 gm. Over-sized at 24-1/8" average width. The bell seems odd for the early trans era. It measures approx 5-5/8" using the shadowing method
with a flat edge. But bell depth is 3/32" to 1/8" deeper than a typical special cup with the flat top. I'd almost call it a special cup without the plateaued top. I haven't run into enough 22" and
larger trans stamps to say if there were 2 different style 5-5/8" bells in use during the trans type 1/2 period. Comparing this bell side by side with a special cup 22"....the shapes look the
same other than the flat vs round top.

Cymbal seems to play considerably lighter than the weight. Extremely flexible like a paper thin. The edge thickness measures as little as 1.1 mm. Very dark and dry with tones
much deeper than I would have expected....getting into old K land. Doesn't have the glassy-metallic tones of a typical type 1. Also not that primitive looking for a large sized type 1.
But, it has some of that irregular, heavy edge hammering that is usually seen.

This could have been a factory rivet cymbal as the hole sizing (3/16"), rivet hole distance from the edge (1.5"), and symmetry are in line with Zildjian norms.
Around the current rivet flaring you see a much wider wear "shadow" consistent with the larger foot print of Zildjian 6 segmented flaring.


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That slight keyhole absolutely breaks my heart.

 

[DrumSmith]

[...] my 13” z custom hats and my 13” k/z hats were just a little too crispy and bright sounding. [...]

Yeah but I love some thin 13" hats. Can't play Hemispheres without 13's!

 

[drumstuff66]

I've liked most of the K Custom Darks I've been able to play, so I finally pulled the trigger on a K Custom Dark Crash (2024, 18", 1301g). Went through a few 18's (a 1995 A Medium @ 1717g, a 1999 A Custom @ 1388g, a K Cluster @ 13xx? and a fairly new Dream Bliss @ 1387g), but this one is what I think I was looking for: Thin, dark, quick to open up, but has some fullness and body to it. Decent enough bell. A hint of trashiness as well. Loving it so far after a couple gigs, hoping to record with it soon...

 

[dingaling]

Skretas incoming tomorrow. Very excited! 20” based off my 22” spizz. Video sounded insane, can’t wait to hear it tomorrow in person.

 

[BrentonVintage]

Skretas incoming tomorrow. Very excited! 20” based off my 22” spizz. Video sounded insane, can’t wait to hear it tomorrow in person.

Share a pic and video of you can!!

 

[BrentonVintage]

Im a little late since I had these for a bit now, but I added to my ever growing Paiste obsession. I picked up some beautiful Signature Fast crashes and an amazing 21" Signature Silver Mellow Ride. GORGEOUS cymbals. And, I hope to meet up with the man who I purchased from next year at the Chicago Drum Show. Very cool!

 

[dingaling]

Share a pic and video of you can!!

So what I wanted was a left side 20” crash ride with one rivet that had definition and crash and would pair sound wise with my 22” spizz TW ride.
He nailed it. Use headphones or speakers.

 

[kookel]

Another large stamp (LS2) I couldn’t pass up for $100. All 20” are dark, buttery smooth, wobbly smoky.

 

[Rick]

I've been looking for this one for awhile now! My friend, Joel Rosenblatt has a 21" Zildjian ride that is his favorite. I think everytime I've seen him play and he's brought his own cymbals, this is the ride he brings. He told me it's a "dry light K" that they don't make anymore. I had a cymbal modified last year by Timothy Roberts to try and sound like it. It turned out to be a great cymbal with a lot of the same characteristics, but I can't say that it sounds the same as Joel's.

I had pretty much given up on finding this elusive cymbal until there was a thread a couple of weeks ago on here talking about the K Custom Special Dry ride. I didn't realize there was a 1st generation and 2nd generation of that cymbal. At one point, I had looked at the current model and dismissed it as not being the sound I was looking for. But when I read that thread, I went to YouTube to listen to some of the "1st gen" 21's and decided that some of them sounded really close to Joel's! Next stop was Reverb to see if there were any for sale. There were two. One of them was about 100 grams lighter than Joel's (his weighs 2430g) and the other was 56 grams heavier. The lighter one was not as dry as is typical for that model. The heavier one sounded to my ear almost EXACTLY the same as the sound file Joel had sent me last year when I was having that mod done! Long story short... I ended up buying it and got it last week!

It has two rivets that were about 1 1/2 inches apart. They were correctly installed at the 12:00 position with the weighted side down. They sounded good (I used it on an organ trio gig last Saturday and thought it sounded fantastic), but they were a little anemic in terms of the amount of sizzle compared to Joel's. His cymbal has 3 Zildjian rivets spaced 3" apart. So today I went to the Atlanta Drum Shop and got 3 Zildjian rivets installed. We used one of the existing holes and then drilled two new ones 3" on either side of that hole. I think it sounds great!

The code on the stamp indicates it was made in 2002. I believe the first year of this model was 2001. I'm thinking Joel's is probably one of the early models, likely 2001. I'm sure he got it directly from Zildjian as a Zildjian artist. Interestingly (and this is obviously random), the weighted section on Joel's cymbal appears from pictures and videos of him playing it to be exactly in the same place as it is on mine. What are the odds?!

Here are some pics and a short demo video I just recorded with my iPhone using the free Protake app to turn off the auto gain...